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from https://substack.com/@anielsen/note/c-91264743 by person.ari-nielsen

I am retiring the term "Awareness". It seems to lead to confusion with subjectivity expanded to be universally inclusive. Instead, for now, my best term would be "Interaction without Relatedness". (Relatedness is the sense that there is an "I" that relates to "the World.") In Interaction without Relatedness there is no sense of a fixed "I" acting on "the world". There is interaction, which does have an effect of giving rise to ever-varying sensation. "I" and "The World" can be useful pointers to aspects of the total pattern of interaction, even absent being fundamental structures. But their utility is transient and arises against a background default of Interaction without Relatedness that does not feature this distinction. This can be very mundane: Body in Shower interaction Typing on Keyboard interaction Talking to Wife interaction These are "just happening". They don't have to do with "me", although "me" is a pattern within the interaction that could be an aspect that is useful to point out.

From interaction with bonnitta-roy

ari nielson has this new way of describing awareness. "Interaction without Relatedness"https://substack.com/@anielsen/note/c-91264743?r=1b3ie its technical but kind of achieves a level of discernment that is helpful.

but that is a kind of interaction-pattern. i did not say metaphor because it does not really explicitly have one, like up-hierarchy or h-h. like allocentric, is a posture so interaction without Relatedness is a posture. aaah all these vantage points :) 9:06 AM

so action-protocols compose your habitas. cognitive-widget are like action-protocols but scoped to thinking. but the usefullness with cognitive-widgets is when you can do some collective-thing where we kind of deploy them... 9:09 AM

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"interaction without relation" is a cognitive widget

What is a mind without any cognitive widgets operating?

Is it a "mind" at all?

Seems like he's talking about receptive awareness ... the ultimate "not chasing mind"

Beyond that there is open awareness.

"receptive awareness" and "open awareness" are cognitive widgets, too ! 10:41 AM

exploding_head

oh, know i remember, i ANTB you used the term reflexive awareness i think you rephrased it to receptive awareness 10:45 AM

there is three of them -- reflexive, receptive and open

reflexive has the self as a reference point egocentric receptive has world as reference point (allocentric -still hunting) open has no reference point

awareness means you are reflexive but not chasing, either ego-arising/passings, sensations arising/passings or perceptual arising/passings 10:48 AM

heart

awareness = not chasing not chasing what = different types

open awareness, nothing to chase

remember: the absence of a sensation is not the same as the perception of the absence of a sensation

even in our dreams we chase 🙂

so the absence of chasing (let's say you're just spaced out for a moment) is not the same as the subtle awareness of the absence of chasing. the former is a "state" the latter is a "state experience"

in the spaced-out case, you INFER that you had been in that state in the state-experience case, you subtly experience it

the question is ... when you are aware of a state of consciousness, are in you that state of consciousness, or have you exited it?

(sorry ... did you say you wanted to play guru today?) 10:52 AM

no but yes! lets play 10:53 AM

being "in a state of consciousness" is a cognitive widget 10:53 AM

The Rhythms of Being On Lyric Culture thepopupschool.org

https://thepopupschool.org/course/lyric-philosophy-and-culture/rythmn#receptive-awareness https://thepopupschool.org/course/new-theory-of-the-body/awareness-reflection-recursivity#reflexivity-sense-full--ness-mindful-heeding i had these two pages in mind there it seemed that they point to the same but use different terminology 10:53 AM

"in" is problematic 10:53 AM

this reminds me of that affect, through persepction into satifactory action triangle. i found this useful in that it points to the possiblility that we sidestep perception and go directly to satifactory-action. is this the difference between state and "state experience"

Bonnitta Roy so the absence of chasing (let's say you're just spaced out for a moment) is not the same as the subtle awareness of the absence of chasing. the former is a "state" the latter is a "state experience"

ah this makes more sense than talking about dissociations 10:56 AM

yes, and remember all experience is an association of aspects of experience normal waking state has many aspects -- sensations, thoughts, image schema, body schema, etc... 10:58 AM

i mean it's a kind of dissociation but i remember you saying that should more mean a lack of association than meaning: not being in "state experience". so you can have more a dissociation but still have "state experience" 10:58 AM

you can take away sensations and amplify thoughts ... that's what most people refer to as dissociation

but you can also lose your train of thoughts -- thought dis -associates from the experience

When people have PTSD, there is too strong an association in the body.

Once I was cutting potatoes with a camp knife and severed my left thumb down to the bone. It was dangling by some tendons on the dorsal side of the hand. The next Thanksgiving day comes around and I'm at my mom's house and I have to cut potatoes, and I get sick to my stomach before I can actually figure out what is the cause ==

The fact that I put those two together -- potato PTSD and sick stomach-- is an example of reflexive awareness 11:03 AM

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