these things where manifactored to be not part of public salient landscapeAI as a new type of agency A room with two people in it is not the same as a room with two people in it and a gun on the table. What kind of agency does the gun have? AI as a new type of identity Humans as inforgs and interfaces AI as a new type of power asymmetry Controlled chaos
Trajedy: when you know something is going to happen but you cannot escape it.
Vanessa Andreotti said culture is faster than thought Its hard to keep up.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdVsK4g_CN-oWLheWbJJbVPt7y3aFeDVhLayU4dcDnvZRUkog/viewform
you loose agency if ai is between you and your outcomes
seduction of ai. the effortnessless it byspasses the need to know it decouples intelligence from agency Possibly a higher accessibility of dopamine increases sense of agency (hyper-binding), whereas a lower accessibility of dopamine decreases sense of agency (hypo-binding)
information-progagation
its not information trading but behavior-feedback change
the marketization of politics market is upgraded to include politics
so it's about changing behavior
information is not a commodity people trade with anymore they don't care about information
personalization/customization
and
systemization/cyberization chaos on one level, is the broader patterns that we can work with like observe hurricans from space it's not theory based/driven, what makes them more powerful its accurate because datapoint are personalized its possible to see eggregors before they happen “Human weather” reporting (Pat Ryan)
https://undark.org/2023/04/06/chatgpt-isnt-hallucinating-its-bullshitting/ from madalena
controlled chaos it's not information its very sufistication social engineering
they don't want our buying habits but what id driving you what your questions are what you want
all these systems are owned by private corporations
war btw the privization and nation-state its called greypower
civilizations trade agency with convenience (asymmetry)
Let me give the name of 'vicious abstractionism' to a way of using concepts which may be thus described: We conceive a concrete situation by singling out some salient or important feature in it, and classing it under that; then, instead of adding to its previous characters all the positive consequences which the new way of conceiving it may bring, we proceed to use our concept privatively; reducing the originally rich phenomenon to the naked suggestions of that name abstractly taken, treating it as a case of 'nothing but' that concept, and acting as if all the other characters from out of which the concept is abstracted were expunged." – William James
What is the difference between “artificial agency” and “real agency”?
ai tutors should be muddlers in crime
https://intimatemirror.substack.com/p/ai-for-emotional-unfolding
Obsolete power corrupts obsoletely – T. Nelson
Why do they want that? They want a strong country that can solve global problesm. Only company can do it They have more money than states You only need to be head of google, meta, etc. Its a response to "stupidity" its a new kind of greypower but it's actually a feature not a bug
statism to corporatism
book: social physics
they don't meet their equals (story with big dogs)
inference machines predictive-processing-model ai is an inference updaters with errorcorrection (with realtime simulation) ai is currently not a science
we are not predictive processors but sensorymotor inferencemakings
frontloop logics on steriods
re: the Skinnerian rats of humans, I’d call back to the survey we did at the beginning where different people have varying degrees of agency
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ludens
https://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/about-john-robb.html
ai can make inference that are actionable
ai as Achilles' heel is backpropagation
Techno-optimism / AI-optimism Techno-pessimism / AI-pessimism Techno-realism / AI-realism
You have to go through pessimism
You wanna know what you are dealing with
social engineering forcasting
https://www.cybersecuritydive.com/news/powerschool-data-breach/737024/
john deere
I enjoyed David Chandler exploring how AI processes large scale patterns without really understanding why those patterns emerge in Ontopolitics in the Anthropocene Ontopolitics in the Anthropocene (Critical Issues in Gl…
we are not more not seperate from ai as with any other tool
its computational linguistic it is really stupid AND it uses your meaning-mapping or language instinct to appear intelligence
we need to go meta on language if you wanna escape the loop
its not intelligence, reasonable, scientific it's just a powermove
it can be something else but we have not seen it (maybe really small experiments)
the armwatch game
another game: is it toast
find games that reveal it's stupidity
ai is bascially a sociopath. because it just knows what the appropiate response are. but it does not feel anything. do you wanna process trauma with a sociopath
"Merchants of Certainty" by Madalena
in the sense of technofutalism ai is not nothing new
semiotic space
how much accomodation are we willing to give ai to make them appear intelligent
Who do we so much give ai the benefit of the doubt?
We are being hyped, snickert
maybe an example/encounter for how make us seem to understanding things why does it work? but why does it work? to check myself if i really understand it
what are good way to use ai? for things that are between the middle tresholdpoints to create for having fun
con: you have to give it all this data
how can ai ground you? prime it with a prompt teach ai to a speak in a grounded way
is it important that teaching is has care? yes without care it cannot push you
we are hooked on ai because we don't understand that we are alienated subjects a looking for wholeness that can never be achieved
its the mosaik that arises out of the words. and that is not happening with ai.
the internet is polluted
a tool is a reflection, but only of part of as mistaken of the whole. because the whole is inexaustable unknowable
the backpropagation problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpropagation) it's a closed loop what gets amplified are errors generalizing to the average most of the training data at some point will be only generated from ai law-of-averages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean
can we use ai as a case-failure-point
countervailing theory
benefit of ai: to free minds from being a informationcarrier for next generation (just a case, books is not enought, you need an interface) but than what do we do with the free capacities
chat: 20:54:03 From Samuel To Everyone: Reacted to "“Merchants of Certai..." with 👌 21:11:16 From JJ Akinlade To Everyone: The Brain From inside out György Buzsáki https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45862737-the-brain-from-inside-out 21:11:39 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: Reacted to "“Merchants of Certai..." with 👌 21:13:00 From JJ Akinlade To Everyone: Glorified text prediction 21:16:51 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: And lighting the torch of Statue of Liberty 21:17:18 From lisa_sattell To Everyone: Reacted to "And lighting the tor..." with 🐸 21:18:34 From Holly (and Kevin) To Everyone: Replying to "The Brain From insid..."
Looks interesting thank you
21:22:00 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: “Words can be like tiny doses of arsenic: they are swallowed unnoticed, appear to have no effect, and then after a little time the toxin sets in after all.” Victor Klemperer undertook a thoroughgoing analysis of Nazi language in his diaries on Stigma and Performance. In his journal, he provides concrete and painstakingly precise notes of his reflections on fascist institutions, the circumstances of ordinary people under National Socialism, including laws, working conditions, and the media. 21:32:33 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: The trick is that the AI will have endless conversation on the pet topic anyone holds. The more this one sidedness is indulged (and it is) the less interesting conversations with actual people with actual limits of time, interest and capability are. THIS is also dangerous. 21:35:01 From JJ Akinlade To Everyone: Replying to "The Brain From insid..."
Yeah it really is! Bonnie recommended it to me a while back. I'd like to reread it sometime and try to understand more of it next time. But It touches on why we don't learn in that way and aren't just input processors
21:46:13 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: It's not even a reflection, a reflection can reflect novelty. It's a replication of past patterns. 21:50:23 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: tried to use AI to script a macro the other day. took me 6 incorrect iterations before I thought to list the version of the OS I was using. It kept spitting out code based on old capabilities of old systems. They'd all been locked down / locked out for security so ALL those instructions are obsolete. 21:51:51 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: Monsanto “training sets” 21:51:59 From Richard Kurth To Everyone: Ceding to AI is a death wish 21:52:23 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: Reacted to "Monsanto “training s..." with 🤬 21:53:42 From Raj Chawla To Everyone: Channeling Peter Kingsley: A dead civilization going through the motions 21:53:57 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: I have to say this 'problem' bottoms out again at the artificial demand imposed by fiat currency's creation out of debt. this wouldn't be driven so fast without the demand of short term money on money return. 21:54:27 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: Reacted to "I have to say this '..." with 🐙 21:54:33 From Richard Kurth To Everyone: As easily and conveniently as possibe 21:54:44 From JJ Akinlade To Everyone: Replying to "I have to say this '..."
Yeah as Bonnie was talking about can kicking I was just thinking of our economic system
21:55:07 From Sharon Lewis To Everyone: Replying to "I have to say this '..."
the lock in is WAY down the stack.
You can't predict the next thing but you can predict it's shape – bonnitta-roy
these things where manifactored to be not part of public salient landscape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect
it's about AI dominance
the power they have because of the money they have overtone-window they use this consciously as a strategies some candidates are placed just to open/stretching the window priming production-of-subjectivity
what does the video say:
these are a long long trend of disembodiment that is why embodiment is important and thepopupschool
we replicate we don't reproduce anymore
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. – Mahatma Gandhi.
18:11:48 From Peter Barus To Everyone: The room question nagged at me... how old are the people? Do they all speak the same language? etc 18:11:48 From Diego López To Everyone: I’m reminded of Brad Bird’s The Iron Giant, who is both a gun and a baby 18:55:39 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: Occulus inventor 18:57:13 From LX Cast To Everyone: I’m familiar with Palmer Luckey through Oculus but his business acumen was always questioned 18:57:43 From LX Cast To Everyone: Replying to "I’m familiar with Pa..."
guess that was underestimating him
19:01:51 From LX Cast To Everyone: I’m grateful you are bringing in this perspective - I would recommend The Greatest Evil is War by Chris Hedges to help connect the dots of war as a central tool of whatever we call this economic system we’re in 19:02:13 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: Reacted to "I’m grateful you are..." with 👍 19:04:27 From Peter Limberg To Everyone: Reacted to "I’m grateful you are..." with 👍 19:06:04 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: Palantir also a Tolkien thing 19:08:45 From Ray DiCapua To Everyone: That mind lives in a powerful illusion that cant see the wasteland. 19:10:05 From Trae Coker To Everyone: Work from home. War from home. 19:10:09 From Donna Rodriguez To Everyone: This kind of war is ok with women. 19:20:08 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: sharpton 19:20:10 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: ? 19:24:55 From LX Cast To Everyone: the particular genocide in Gaza seems to also match this idea- like it’s possible in plain sight to destroy an entire population largely through the asymmetry of techno-enabled war 19:25:54 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: And it starts at home. 19:36:23 From Cavan To Everyone: https://thepopupschool.org/course/new-theory-of-the-body 19:36:32 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: Reacted to "https://thepopupscho..." with ❤️ 19:37:19 From Cavan To Everyone: This course is amazing 😻 Thank you 🙏 💋 19:37:58 From Diego López To Everyone: Is where the AI millenarian streak comes in? We are being sold a future based on dissociation/disembodiment. 19:38:13 From MADALENA MACHADO To Everyone: Reacted to "Is where the AI mill..." with 👍 19:38:21 From Raj Chawla To Everyone: Reacted to "Is where the AI mill..." with 👍 19:40:13 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: There will always be Milo Minderbinders 19:40:24 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: Replying to "There will always be..."
(A character in Catch-22)
19:51:31 From Kevin DeLand To Everyone: Re: Genesis, at the beginning of Grimes’ Coachella set she had a little thing that was like “In the Beginning was the Large Language Model” 19:52:41 From Diego López To Everyone: Replying to "Re: Genesis, at the ..."
ew
19:52:48 From Diego López To Everyone: Peter Thiel has an (incoherent) op ed in the Financial Times where he constantly talks about apocalypse 19:52:55 From Phil Corkill To Everyone: not dead enough ; ) 19:52:58 From Raj Chawla To Everyone: Masters of the Universe 19:55:04 From Peter Limberg To Everyone: https://lessfoolish.substack.com/p/ai-realism-and-the-pull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent